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Diablo 3 getting Necromancer (paid), remaking Diablo 1 in D3, new zones (free)

Calcium

Calcium

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IvorB said:
Wait... they are going to remake Diablo in Diablo 3? All thirteen floors of it?
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You'll get 16 floors with the same theme as Diablo. I'm sure most of the floors will be using assets from Diablo 3, though. The only tileset mentioned in the announcement was Cathedral. So whether they make all 16 floors Cathedral or change them after every 4 to mirror the original is unknown.
 
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MetroidPrimeRib

Banned
Wow that's not what I wanted and I don't think it is for most people either. Hearing its just a rift is...sad. If this is all we get from Diablo this year and not a Diablo 4 or 2 remaster with bnet support I'll be very disappointed.
 
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ferr

Member
Askherserenity said:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but...
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Yeah, you're right, they're fine. It's just confusing news is all. Must be some kind of market research on their part that determined Necro DLC would earn more than a new expansion at this point in D3's lifecycle.
 
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Uthred

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duckroll said:
You really think people are complaining that there isn't enough free content here? People are upset that there isn't substantial new paid content they can pay money for and feel good about. Instead of Diablo 1 as a Rift, people want to be able to buy a Diablo 2 remake. Instead of Necromancer DLC for a few bucks, people want to buy a new Diablo 3 expansion for 40 bucks.

I don't think anyone here is whining that there isn't enough free stuff. :p
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Considering the response in the Blizzcon thread and here that the Necromancer isnt free I think that yes, a lot of people certainly are complaining there isnt enough free stuff. Looking at what RoS added what we're getting isnt hugely different. It added 5 new areas and one hero class, we're getting one hero class and 2 (2.5 depending on how the anniversary thing pans out) new areas (as well as the 2 new areas we've already gotten). Other than the story stuff it doesnt feel hugely different from a "proper" expansion. Dont get me wrong, I'm raging we'll likely never find out what the fucks going on with the Skovos Isles, but at the same time a lot of the outrage feels forced.
 
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partyboy

Member
Rise of the Necromancer? That's what they came up with.

Where has all of Blizzard's creativity gone? Rise of the Whatever is one of the most overused phrases of the past decade. Looking forward to a bunch of tired pop culture references and rehashed mythology where they just change a single letter of a name and claim it as their own.
 
RPGCrazied

RPGCrazied

Member
Disappointment. They could have put those new zones and necromancer class into a new expansion. This just feels like a cheap cash grab. And as cool as the necromancer is I'm not paying more than $5 - 6 for it.

This diablo fan ain't happy right now.
 
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Lucifon

Junior Member
Honestly this is quite possibly the worst way they could go about executing all of the rumours.

Migrant said:
Using the word remake or saying they are recreating the original game is really confusing people. It's not the entire first game recreated in Diablo 3. It's a Diablo 1 themed rift. 16 floors, 4 bosses. That is not a remake or remaster. People are really getting the wrong idea here.
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This needs to be in the OT
 
Subpar Spatula

Subpar Spatula

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Blues1990 said:
The game doesn't even remotely look like a "cartoon". Really, are people that hung over with Diablo III's saturated colour pallet? The soundtrack and narrative, I understand. (The composer is a poor replacement to Matt Uelmen, and I didn't give a shit about the Nephelem or Cain's niece.) But the actual game itself looks solid. Azmodan looks frickin' awesome, and the promotional artwork for the Necromancer looks great, to boot.
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Yes. Diablo 1 and 2 had very specific styles that look and feel dark and terrifying. Diablo 3 is very similar to when a movie has the lights go out but it's just a dark blue and you're like, "you can still see shit, stop pretending you can't".

Path of Exile and Grim Dawn do much better with their environments and atmosphere because if you're gonna go for the horror / terror route (which Diablo 1 and 2 did) you can't shy away from it with weird filters.
 
Kent

Kent

Member
Ikuu said:
Also not sure how it's going to be all that different from WD.
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Considering how D2 Necromancers play and how D3 Witch Doctors play, it shouldn't be that hard to differentiate them as their similarities pretty much end at "they can have minions."
 
The Hermit

The Hermit

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Akhe said:
I'm having a hard time discribing how I feel.
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This is on you though, the writing was on the wall.

Diablo 3 was the biggest fuck you to a community that I've ever seen.
They have new fans now, and probably will earn even more money... they don't need to attend the old community anymore.

Nothing of this is surprising.
 
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IvorB

Member
Migrant said:
You'll get 16 floors with the same theme as Diablo. I'm sure most of the floors will be using assets from Diablo 3, though. The only tileset mentioned in the announcement was Cathedral. So whether they make all 16 floors Cathedral or change them after every 4 to mirror the original is unknown.
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That's pretty cool. Not gonna hate on more free stuff for this game. So not really Diablo 1 since it won't have the bosses and build up but still pretty cool I guess.
 
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datamage

Member
Lucifon said:
Honestly this is quite possibly the worst way they could go about executing all of the rumours.



This needs to be in the OT
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The word rift was never mentioned though. Just that Diablo 1 was coming to Diablo 3. While I doubt it will be a full remake, Migrant is adding assumptions to his posts. We will see what it is exactly, when they go over it at tonight's panel.
 
mysteriousmage09

mysteriousmage09

Member
Uthred said:
How much free content do you think you're entitled to? Not being snarky, honestly wondering. The games had solid support for quite some time, with new areas, mode, items, seasons, etc. Should they just support the game ad infinitum? A new class is a fairly sizeable chunk of content for an ARPG, along with the two new areas (with new mobs if they follow the other areas) and the D1 anniversary stuff. The only thing we're not getting that a "proper" expansion would have had is new story content, considering a) the story in D3 is mostly dogshit and b) most people play through it once, I'm not sure how much of a loss that is.



To each their own, but considering that the character feels like the meat of the ARPG experience (with the other main pillar being loot) I'm wondering what exactly you mean by "substantial content"? New areas (we're getting those)? New story?
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A new act with new features, story elements, items, etc. We have already seen what new areas amounts to with Diablo 3 with the Ruins of Sescheron (it lasted like 15 minutes and once you got Kanai's cube you never went there again). Even with the Necro, its going to amount of rushing to 70 and doing the same damn rifts everyone has been doing over and over and over again already.
 
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Metroidvania

People called Romanes they go the house?
Uthred said:
How much free content do you think you're entitled to? Not being snarky, honestly wondering. The games had solid support for quite some time, with new areas, mode, items, seasons, etc.
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Define 'solid'.

Seasons had their moments, but aside from the D3 'faithful', I wasn't under the impression that the change-ups to sets (and the sprinkling of season-exclusive leg items) were THAT much of an incentive outside of the people who liked chasing leaderboard GR numbers.

Similar with the 'new areas', which didn't really add all that much in terms of the D3 grind, only really changing the palette and adding a few new enemies/enemy mechanics.


Should they just support the game ad infinitum? A new class is a fairly sizeable chunk of content for an ARPG, along with the two new areas (with new mobs if they follow the other areas) and the D1 anniversary stuff. The only thing we're not getting that a "proper" expansion would have had is new story content, considering a) the story in D3 is mostly dogshit and b) most people play through it once, I'm not sure how much of a loss that is

To each their own, but considering that the character feels like the meat of the ARPG experience (with the other main pillar being loot) I'm wondering what exactly you mean by "substantial content"? New areas (we're getting those)? New story?
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I think for at least me, it's more of a proposition value. RoS added not only a new class and a large new area/palette, but an entire revamp to the way the end-game worked.

The Necromancer feels.....piecemeal. Nickle-and-dime-esque, especially if they're not careful in their pricing.

Taken with no context, a 5-15 dollar fee for a new character in an ARPG isn't NECESSARILY a bad value proposition, but these things don't happen in a vacuum. This goes back to the value that RoS had for 40 bucks. It wasn't just the Crusader, it was a whole bunch of shit.

Blizz is free to devise monetary compensation in whichever way they choose, but they don't get a free pass for it, in the context of their previous value offerings.

Also this.

We have already seen what new areas amounts to with Diablo 3 with the Ruins of Sescheron (it lasted like 15 minutes and once you got Kanai's cube you never went there again). Even with the Necro, its going to amount of rushing to 70 and doing the same damn rifts everyone has been doing over and over and over again already.
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RK9039

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Subpar Spatula said:
Yes. Diablo 1 and 2 had very specific styles that look and feel dark and terrifying. Diablo 3 is very similar to when a movie has the lights go out but it's just a dark blue and you're like, "you can still see shit, stop pretending you can't".

Path of Exile and Grim Dawn do much better with their environments and atmosphere because if you're gonna go for the horror / terror route (which Diablo 1 and 2 did) you can't shy away from it with weird filters.
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Agreed. GD and PoE have nailed that horror look, so I get it when people says Diablo 3 is cartoony in comparison.
 
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emic

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johancruijff said:
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Pretty much sums up blizzcon ...
/crys
 
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Instro

Member
Seems ok. I kind of figured it would just be Necromancer DLC. There's no way they are doing a real expansion given the hirings over the last year. The character being paid DLC is whatever, it's probably fair given the amount of work required.
 
Calcium

Calcium

Banned
IvorB said:
That's pretty cool. Not gonna hate on more free stuff for this game. So not really Diablo 1 since it won't have the bosses and build up but still pretty cool I guess.
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It'll have 4 bosses from the original. It'll just be lacking the atmosphere and story, which is why they really shouldn't be labeling this a remake/remaster. It's just a dungeon with a Diablo theme.
 
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Arkeband

Banned
When you have to advertise 'character slots', which are necessary just to use the fucking thing (if you have one of each male/female or norm/hc), and decals as part of the "character pack", you know that what you're offering is shit.
 
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Blues1990

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Subpar Spatula said:
Yes. Diablo 1 and 2 had very specific styles that look and feel dark and terrifying. Diablo 3 is very similar to when a movie has the lights go out but it's just a dark blue and you're like, "you can still see shit, stop pretending you can't".

Path of Exile and Grim Dawn do much better with their environments and atmosphere because if you're gonna go for the horror / terror route (which Diablo 1 and 2 did) you can't shy away from it with weird filters.
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So, you basically want more Gothic Fantasy? Is that it?
 
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Kilrogg

paid requisite penance
Content-wise, the D1-in-D3 sounds more like a new act with a dungeon-like structure... At least I hope that's what it is. Cause a rift would be really sad.
 
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Mechanized

Member
Diablo 1? Eh.......................

Eh...............

It will be fun to get a Necro to level cap and then stop playing D3 again though. *sigh*
 
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Uthred

Member
mysteriousmage09 said:
A new act with new features, story elements, items, etc. We have already seen what new areas amounts to with Diablo 3 with the Ruins of Sescheron (it lasted like 15 minutes and once you got Kanai's cube you never went there again). Even with the Necro, its going to amount of rushing to 70 and doing the same damn rifts everyone has been doing over and over and over again already.
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I'd prefer to pay less and not have to bother with an act and story elements which I'll play through once. One seasons worth of play with the Necromancer offers me significantly more game time than more terrible nephilim fanfic.


Metroidvania said:
Define 'solid'.

Seasons had their moments, but aside from the D3 'faithful', I wasn't under the impression that the change-ups to sets (and the sprinkling of season-exclusive leg items) were THAT much of an incentive outside of the people who liked chasing leaderboard GR numbers.

Similar with the 'new areas', which didn't really add all that much in terms of the D3 grind, only really changing the palette and adding a few new enemies/enemy mechanics.
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It's interesting how in this part of your post new areas arent worth anything yet a single quote later they're a worthwhile value add. As for solid content, well I suppose its subjective, but stuff like Kanai's cube, unique effects for nearly every legendary item, new legendaries which expanded the number of viable builds for all classes, etc. feels like solid support for a game that came out several years ago. Most "One and done" games have patches for a while as post launch content and then nothing. Yet apparently D3 should keep providing free content...because?
 
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Cipherr

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Not Spaceghost said:
A randomized dungeon with a customizable difficulty that you have to clear in under 15 minutes but usually end up clearing in about 5.

it's the only real content in the game.
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I dont know in what world you are clearing meaningful rifts in 5 minutes. Unless you arent playing to make it to a decent spot on the ladder.....

Every end game difficult rift I run I am racing the 15 min timer. Always....

Subpar Spatula said:
Path of Exile and Grim Dawn do much better with their environments and atmosphere because if you're gonna go for the horror / terror route (which Diablo 1 and 2 did) you can't shy away from it with weird filters.
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And thank god they look nothing like PoE and I pray it never does. PoE looks like absolute ass.
 
Calcium

Calcium

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Kilrogg said:
Content-wise, the D1-in-D3 sounds more like a new act with a dungeon-like structure... At least I hope that's what it is. Cause a rift would be really sad.
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I sincerely doubt we'll be getting NPCs and dialogue. I fully expect to walk into Cain's house and click on something to be instantly transported into the first floor of the Cathedral. I doubt we'll get old Tristram sadly.
 
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Cabbagehead

Member
Uthred said:
I'd prefer to pay less and not have to bother with an act and story elements which I'll play through once. One seasons worth of play with the Necromancer offers me significantly more game time than more terrible nephilim fanfic.




It's interesting how in this part of your post new areas arent worth anything yet a single quote later they're a worthwhile value add. As for solid content, well I suppose its subjective, but stuff like Kanai's cube, unique effects for nearly every legendary item, new legendaries which expanded the number of viable builds for all classes, etc. feels like solid support for a game that came out several years ago. Most "One and done" games have patches for a while as post launch content and then nothing. Yet apparently D3 should keep providing free content...because?
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No one is talking about free content. Stop pushing that narrative. People want expansions, more content. Updates anything. (them to kill D3...)

I'd rather have nothing instead of a single paid DLC "character pack" with one character in it.
 
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anthraxus

Banned
Not even into the sub-genre of lewt whoring games, but I did like Diablo 1 for its artstyle/music/atmosphere...

Don't care about the rest of the series.
 
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Not Spaceghost

Spaceghost
Cipherr said:
I dont know in what world you are clearing meaningful rifts in 5 minutes. Unless you arent playing to make it to a decent spot on the ladder.....

Every end game difficult rift I run I am racing the 15 min timer.
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The bulk of the rifts i run are either t13 key farm rifts or gr60 gear / blood shard farms both of which get done in under 5min.

Pushing for high greater rifts for hours on end is not something i particularly enjoy doing, i only up my GR push for a few attempts after getting significant upgrades.

Zexen said:
Rekt.
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Lmfaoooo it one man gloating while the world around him burns.

http://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/3354739/

The forums are a total shit show right now
 
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