The original Diablo definitely went with traditional Gothic Horror, and it did it well. But I can't recall Diablo II making feel scared or giving me a sense of dread.
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Diablo 3 getting Necromancer (paid), remaking Diablo 1 in D3, new zones (free)
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The original Diablo definitely went with traditional Gothic Horror, and it did it well. But I can't recall Diablo II making feel scared or giving me a sense of dread.
When have they not been shit?
Also it's nevalist most of the blues on the forums are shills who defend blizzard bad practices to the hilt.
Yeah, I don't really understand the hate for D3's art. It's not the art that really kills the atmosphere compared to D1, it's the gameplay.
In D1 you move slowly, everything is dangerous (especially large groups of enemies), resources are limited, dying has severe penalties, and even shrines can have permanent consequences. Shit is tense and scary.
But in D3 you're a demigod, the entire game is designed toward enabling you to plow through hordes of enemies with maximum efficiency, and unless you're playing on hardcore there are no major consequences to anything. It can be challenging, but due to the way the difficulty selection works, it's only hard if you choose for it to be, and the challenge is more action-y, less survival horror-y.
D2 is somewhere in between
Cabbagehead
Member
An people want to say that folks don't see what blizzard is doing? they don't give to shits about Diablo. Most likely never did.
If this was a proper mini-expansion with a new class, new items, new zones, new weapon types, new monsters, new modifiers - that wouldn't even be enough.
What the game needs is different gameplay. And a new class is only part of that puzzle. We need the re-introduction of runewords to add some flavor to the super boring + main stat gem socketing. We need more players per game. We need more categories to spend paragon points on. We need something that fundamentally makes the game feel fresh.
Because you know the second you get through the boring ass 1-70 tutorial, you're right back where you started, except with a class that is still doing the same basic things the last class you were playing with did.
That's because it's catered to the modern "I play the way I want to play" crowd who basically want to expend as much effort playing games as watching a Let's Play.
What the game needs is different gameplay. And a new class is only part of that puzzle. We need the re-introduction of runewords to add some flavor to the super boring + main stat gem socketing. We need more players per game. We need more categories to spend paragon points on. We need something that fundamentally makes the game feel fresh.
Because you know the second you get through the boring ass 1-70 tutorial, you're right back where you started, except with a class that is still doing the same basic things the last class you were playing with did.
That's because it's catered to the modern "I play the way I want to play" crowd who basically want to expend as much effort playing games as watching a Let's Play.
Cabbagehead
Member
The art is horrible and the character models are WOW vanilla bad. Also no one is comparing the D1 art style to D3, it's the art style from D2 to D3.
Nice for console players that they're getting seasons and the QOL stuff like the equipment/build manager and crafting mats getting their own interface are welcome.
Yes, they havent cared about the franchise once in the last twenty years, the level of hyperbole here is literally laughable
Yes, they havent cared about the franchise once in the last twenty years, the level of hyperbole here is literally laughable
I meant in terms of length and, hopefully, polish.
I agree with you, but I doubt - I hope - it's gonna feel as cheap as a slightly longer rift either.
All will be revealed in a few hours I guess...
This is where I'm at with it. Why should I play money to be burnt out on the same exact game with one more new character? And a character with less robust skill tree than the existing one in Diablo II at that. I just can't be arsed to get hyped up for playing the same game with no real redesign effort. It's nostalgia for nostalgia's sake.
Cabbagehead
Member
Go ask Blizzard North, if Blizzard themselves cared about Diablo....because they sure as hell don't now. With how they will milk nostalgia. Instead of fixing their game.
Also; The mere fact that they are bringing the Necromancer back shows desperation, because they KNOW the player base has shrunken over the past 2 years since RoS. And it doesn't help that we have to pay money for a freaking class with no new content that finally finishes the Diablo story line once and for all.
NullPointer
Member
Just tell me when and how much.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I quite like the d3 art style, they have tons of fantastic armor design and with the expansion the environment design has been phenomenal. The area around the cube is great and RoS had some awesome sub zones.
I guess the proper term is worse than usual lol.
Googly Eyes Dog
Banned
A shame the Necromancer isn't coming out until next year and will cost money. Hopefully not too much.
truestatic
Member
... Blues aren't shills. They're CM's. They're fucking employees lol.
Calcium
Banned
Hopefully they surprise us, but the way it was presented just sounded like another rift. I'll be thrilled if it is more than that.
wait till you see the epic variation of bone spear you unlock at level 54!
it shoots... wait for it... 2 bone spears!!! AND THEY'RE PURPLE!!!
Cabbagehead
Member
We're going to have to agree to disagree. The D2 art, music and atmosphere sucked me in, everything i booted up that damn game. Though funny enough, POE gets the closest but even it's art style does not cut it.
truestatic
Member
Where is this coming from? Have we actually seen the Necro skill set in full?
So, you guys are taking a dig on me, just because of a differing opinion? Not cool.
Same. I kinda don't want D1 remade with anything that resembles D3 artstyle.
I want simple D2 HD remake in same ghotic style.
BTW, can PC owners of original D3 (with no RoS) get this new D1 remake?
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Seems like too little content to be honest. Probably going to be overpriced as well :/
D2 Art style is incredible but so is D3's Art Style. They are both really good. I don't think POE does get close but than again I am not a fan of that game at all.
I think we're almost guaranteed it'll be over-priced
D3 is made by wow centric developers with no very little understanding of D1/D2 or very misguided understandings of how the genre or franchise should be.
This is the team that gave the phrase "gear check".
PackAPunchedMick
Member
Two possibilities....
1. You are a cheater.
or
2. you have 3 diablo 3 playing friends.
Because anything other than playing this game with those 2 options is a complete fucking shit show of epic proportions and Blizzard should be ashamed.
I definitely don't agree at all.
No, whatever this is will be accessed through Adventure Mode and requires RoS.
truestatic
Member
Don't be so defensive I made no dig at you. If anything it was a small dig at LCGeek.
Duriel...
I don't think "scared of the loading time to get into Duriel's chamber" is what he meant.
BFIB
Member
No to both. I podcast and just wreck shit mostly single player. Game is great, at least on console. Got out of the PC version early on with the auction house stuff.
Calcium
Banned
Cabbagehead
Member
Want to go look at their resume?
NullPointer
Member
Solo is just fine. And yeah, grouping up with friends is also a good time.
Am also glad to see Blizzard continuing to support D3 with paid and free content drops, as I worry what always-online microtransaction-laden stuff we'd see in a Diablo 4 considering today's gaming climate.
Shadow Broker
Banned
You don't speak for me.
I never played Diablo 1 and will finally if this comes to consoles. Necromancer looks interesting.
truestatic
Member
Adorable.
fwiw a loop of Butcher's attack animation would be similarly uninspired.
Their work experience doesn't define their design paradigm.
You can be a shill and work for a cause directly earning money, do you have no awareness of politics or the revolving door between congress and corporations.
That's nice.
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I hope the Necromancer class has some big surprises.
Because those skills look extremely similar to WD's with a wiz mixed in.
If that Summon Skeletons has a 120 second cooldown...
BFIB
Member
World of Starcraft.