Support NeoGAF

[Bleepey]

1. Actress has sex with boyfriend in a car, with the door open, in full view of an office building full of people.
2. Somebody in building calls cops about it.
3. Cop shows up, actress freaks out. No charges or official report is made.
4. Actress proceed to go to media, pulls racism card on cop. Is reported as such everywhere, people jump to conclusions based on her side of the story and call out cops for being racist.
5. Cop gets cleared by audio recording of encounter, coming of as reasonable and giving a good reason for asking for her ID and stating several times he would already have been gone. People apologise for jumping to conclusions, jump to new conclusions about actress instead.
6. Pictures arrive of alleged lewd act, looks like lewd act. People jumping to conclusions redeemed by having jumped to actual right conclusions this time.

Well that's disappointing.

 

[Volimar]

Horizontal bongoing

 

[Mononoke]

Well that's disappointing.

The cop was just going out there to access the situation and talk to them. He wasn't going to arrest or detain them as I. He didn't see them having sex. II. There was no evidence of them having sex.

So at best, she probably would have just gotten a warning ("if" you were doing lewd acts, knock it off). But she refused to show her ID, and then threw the tantrum about it being a race thing (she even called her father, and told the police officer to talk to her dad). Basically, situation got escalated because she refused to comply with the police officer. Police officer was just doing a routine check up based on a call that was received reporting a criminal activity.

 

[neorej]

Horizontal bongoing

So much better than horizontal xylophoning.

 

[Sketchbag]

Sharing equivalence between "walking while black" and the racism-deniers makes no sense whatsoever.

One is a real thing. The other is trolling.

Give your head a shake.

Then you would agree the trolling is not real input. It's trolling. That's my point that neither should be taken seriously unless it's backed up by more than just that. I don't mind the "walking while black" comment if they add real commentary or expand on it. The same goes for "waiting for more evidence" and they can say what evidence they would like to see IE video, witness, autopsy, etc. Something like that. I just don't care for pointless comments that just emotionally charge the conversation and disregard the actual situation.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

So I'll state this again.

My problem with the majority of Gaf's "wait and see" crowd is that I feel they only want to be hyper rational and hyper robotic in threads of stories that they are less inclined to believe. Yes there are some people here who are known to be hyper rational or contrarian for contrarians sake, but by and large most posters form an immediate opinion on a story regardless of race. Of all the news stories posted how many times do posters chime in with "let's wait and see"?

I don't believe I've seen the "Let's wait and see" crowd as often when stories are posted about someone that has been purportedly raped or abused in some manner. People generally don't doubt someone claiming to be raped or abused in some manner (even though false claims have been known to be made). It's a serious accusation! The only time you will see a "let's wait and see mentality" is if there is doubt. For instance if some random person was accusing a celebrity. People would say "Let's wait and see" because there is doubt and false accusations against celebrities are more common than not.

An officer profiling a black person or being accused of racism/abuse is also a serious accusation. The difference, I think, is that many of the wait and see crowd are so tired of "the race card" (even the officer said this, although accurate in this circumstance) and they view black discrimination as a wholly overt and never subtle thing -- so they generally have huge reservations (or are hyper rational) when confronted with possible racism against blacks -- especially if police are involved -- even though data has proven that the judicial system targets blacks at an alarmingly high rate even though we only make up 13% of the population and commit the same amount of crimes as whites. There is doubt, so that phrase is used.

I feel as if a good amount of these people don't believe that racism and prejudice are as rampant as they really are. They don't believe it to be as pressing or alarming as it is. As others often say, they think it's somewhere, surely, but not ever in front of us.

Reasoned hesitance is fine. I see it all the time on gaf but it's posted in such an un-inflammatory way :

"This story is awful if true."

I do see this often posted by people who are willing to 1) comment on the reported story 2) supply their position 3) reserve judgement

The "wait and see" crowd are usually saying that to:

1) wait for information that supports their disbelief or hyper rational hesitance.

To me there is subtle context to the statement let's wait and see. To me it doesn't add anything to the conversation. No one here is stupid. We all understand that there could be more information to invalidate what is being presented. We will still form an opinion on the information given and comment on the situation. Again, that's how science works. You form a conclusion on the information given and then when more is given you adjust or you have more information to support your original stance.

The hyper rational wait and see until you have all the facts mentality does absolutely nothing because it often assumes that there IS more information that needs to be gathered to reach a proper conclusion when there actually may not be more information that needs to be gathered to a reach conclusion. Yes we may find out the whole story with infinite detail but if the outline still holds true then the "let's wait and see" mentality holds no purpose. It's a supremely naive comment on a discussion forum as well. No one is going to wait to comment. No one is going to wait to form an opinion. People can and do have reservations and people can and do realize that more information could change things. But no one is going to wait and see.

That's why I prefer if someone comment with the caveat "if true". Because it maintains that there could be more information that changes what's presented, but this also could be all the information we need to unbiasly judge the situation.

If a known white actress claimed to be harassed by cops most people would automatically believe her until more information came out. Yes, some users who appeal to authority would probably echo that tired phrase but most would believe her as done here with Danielle Watts.

My problem is that society has data proven bias against blacks and Neogaf is no different. I am not calling the "let's wait and see" crowd racist. But I do think that subconsciously a lot of the people who hold that mentality do not afford the benefit of the doubt to blacks the same way they do to whites especially in relation to state enforced oppression.

 

[tmarques]

The most important and shameful part is how the actress and the media framed this in a way where someone skimming the news would think that the cop was walking down the street, saw a black woman innocently kissing a white man, and concluded that she must be a prostitute and thus arrested her.

That's EXACTLY how I understood this went down at first. A good lesson to learn.

This lady isn't doing anyone any favours. Now every time someone claims to be a victim of racial profiling this ridiculous story will be brought up to discredit them.

What about the discarded tissue, was it collected as evidence? I'm assuming it contains bodily fluids.

 

[Son of Cervantes]

That's EXACTLY how I understood this went down at first. A good lesson to learn.

This lady isn't doing anyone any favours. Now every time someone claims to be a victim of racial profiling this ridiculous story will be brought up to discredit them.

What about the discarded tissue, was it collected as evidence? I'm assuming it contains bodily fluids.

They weren't arrested so there was no need to collect any evidence, I assume.

 

[Mononoke]

So I'll state this again.

My problem with the majority of Gaf's "wait and see" crowd is that I feel they only want to be hyper rational and hyper robotic in threads of stories that they are less inclined to believe. Yes there are some people here who are known to be hyper rational or contrarian for contrarians sake, but by and large most posters form an immediate opinion on a story regardless of race. Of all the news stories posted how many times do posters chime in with "let's wait and see"?

I think the problem is that people want to react emotionally to things that are injust. That, even if the story ends up not being true, they are still upset about the idea of abuse/corruption. So the emotional reaction is towards the idea of it (or that it actually happens in other cases). This is a forum, and not a news outlet. So naturally, people are going to use this as a place to vent their feelings.

The problem is, some folks don't think it's responsible to react to a story when you don't have all the information. But then that comes off insensitive, since a bunch of people are venting emotions based on a perceived wrong (or the idea of a wrong). I can agree that there are probably some folks, who are doing this just to be negative (that they have other reasons for doing this). But I can also see someone genuinely thinking it's bad to make a judgement on something without having all the facts.

Personally, I think people should stop focusing on other members and only focus on themselves. Like, if you don't like the fact that people are venting or reacting, then just ignore it. You can feel free to say your peace on it (ie. why you won't judge, and explain why you think it's too early to call). A lot of the posts I saw earlier in this thread (that were of the wait and see variety), were more aimed at critiquing other people for reacting emotionally. (For instance, "this forum has no middle ground" etc.).

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

I think the problem is that people want to react emotionally to things that are injust. That, even if the story ends up not being true, they are still upset about the idea of abuse/corruption. So the emotional reaction is towards the idea of it. This is a forum, and not a news outlet. So naturally, people are going to use this as a place to vent their feelings.

The problem is, some folks don't think it's responsible to react to a story when you don't have all the information. But then that comes off insensitive, since a bunch of people are venting emotions based on a perceived wrong (or the idea of a wrong).

And my point is that people only want to be "responsible" when it's a story that they are ambivalent to or that they doubt. They are perfectly fine though reacting "irresponsibly" to other stories where "all the facts' aren't present.

Hence my last line, blacks aren't afforded the benefit of the doubt. All the facts have to come in before you ever think about believing them. That is hyper rational. It's not inherently wrong but I know many of these people don't go through that same hyper rational process with other stories of injustice. They assume the injustice has happened until further details are revealed.

 

[Mononoke]

And my point is that people only want to be "responsible" when it's a story that they are ambivalent to or that they doubt. They are perfectly fine though reacting "irresponsibly" to other stories where "all the facts' aren't present.

Hence my last line, blacks aren't afforded the benefit of the doubt. All the facts have to come in before you ever think about believing them. That is hyper rational. It's not inherently wrong but I know many of these people don't go through that same hyper rational process with other stories of injustice. They assume the injustice has happened until further details are revealed.

Fair enough. I don't really know who these people are. I can only speak for myself. I guess you guys would know more about this than I do. Like I said, I can agree that people shouldn't be criticizing others for reacting to something. Just let people be. I think if you personally have a wait and see method, fine. Okay to express that. But I don't really see the point in aiming that at other people for reacting to something emotionally.

 

[JumpJeff84]

Wow, she couldn't have been more busted.

And man, TMZ is nuts. They get EVERYTHING.

 

[bootski]

wow that's pretty unbelievable in this day and age. i wonder what will come of it?

and that sammy sosa!!!

well it still is pretty unbelievable...

the part with the titties out and the kleenex in front of a building full of people!

and then to proceed to play the race card, just fucking shameful.

 

[Amagon]

Man, this story just gotten better lol.

 

[Shamrock7r]

And my point is that people only want to be "responsible" when it's a story that they are ambivalent to or that they doubt. They are perfectly fine though reacting "irresponsibly" to other stories where "all the facts' aren't present.

Hence my last line, blacks aren't afforded the benefit of the doubt. All the facts have to come in before you ever think about believing them. That is hyper rational. It's not inherently wrong but I know many of these people don't go through that same hyper rational process with other stories of injustice. They assume the injustice has happened until further details are revealed.

I'm sure you know specific users that do this, but there are many on here that one to take a reserved approach to these discussions at all times, despite the topic or the race involved, and it is unfair and wrong to attack these people from analyzing things from a logical point of view, of all things.

 

[KHarvey16]

Of course topics most likely to instigate emotional responses will invite more "maybe we should hold off" types of positions. It's unnecessary to make waiting for answers a focus of the discussion if people are already waiting for answers.

 

[Skiptastic]

Just when I thought I needed a Lionel Mandrake post, that audio (which is on the LA Times Soundcloud in full, btw) pretty much explains it all for me.

 

[Mesousa]

Damn she's done.

Those Ashy elbows are going to be iconic though.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

WTF is even going on with that Benz?

 

[Shamrock7r]

Of course topics most likely to instigate emotional responses will invite more "maybe we should hold off" types of positions. It's unnecessary to make waiting for answers a focus of the discussion if people are already waiting for answers.

Many people reserving judgement still hold opinions based on what's known, and discuss those points. The bigger problem is the mentioned hostility towards these people. That potentially destroys debate and is part of a bigger problem.

 

[I Stalk Alone]

If she was a gaffer, lionel mandrake would be doing the summary by now.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

I'm sure you know specific users that do this, but there are many on here that one to take a reserved approach to these discussions at all times, despite the topic or the race involved, and it is unfair and wrong to attack these people from analyzing things from a logical point of view, of all things.

If you think I am attacking people that analyze things from a logical point of view I don't know what to say to you.

 

[Shamrock7r]

If you think I am attacking people that analyze things from a logical point of view I don't know what to say to you.

Let me clarify. I'm not talking about you specifically. I was speaking about the general atmosphere in these threads.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Wow, she couldn't have been more busted.

And man, TMZ is nuts. They get EVERYTHING.

They're better at journalism than Variety is, even if their specialty is Hollywood gossip.

 

[TheOMan]

Welp, I took her story at face value and it turns out she's a liar and broke the law while the cop was the good guy. She should get charged and sued by the officer instead of the other way around as I stated before. Terrible behavior.

 

[levious]

She's not much of a celebrity honestly. Doubt 99% of the population even knew who she was before this story.

The fact that she was engaged in a sexual act in public in broad daylight and SHE was the one to break the story tells you that she's not a celebrity.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Let me clarify. I'm not talking about you specifically. I was speaking about the general atmosphere in these threads.

Not condoning it but this pretty much sums up the reason the atmosphere is the way it is.

The frequent danger of topics like this is that, to some people, it's an academic discussion of a far-away event, full of possibilities and opportunities for debate, and to others it represents the very real danger that they themselves might be hurt or killed -- by the police, by somebody standing their ground, whatever -- and their attacker might face no consequences because of a policy literally over 200 years old that African-Americans don't have fully recognized rights to their own bodies. To somebody who's learned to shape their behavior patterns around the threat of death, or has possibly seen real people around them suffer because of their failure to do so, a devil's advocate position might feel a little like if your house was on fire and a bystander is trying to talk to you about why would this be a problem since fire is the cornerstone of human civilization, so shouldn't it be a good thing?

 

[hoos30]

Welp, I took her story at face value and it turns out she's a liar and broke the law while the cop was the good guy. She should get charged and sued by the officer instead of the other way around as I stated before. Terrible behavior.

This. As a black man who has actually has to deal with real life misbehavior and suspicion from many police officers, what this chick did was reprehensible.

 

[KHarvey16]

Not condoning it but this pretty much sums up the reason the atmosphere is the way it is.

A best that post is a justification for emotional, irrational reactions. The analogy of the house fire is very silly and frankly doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[studyguy]

Pictures of them getting it on...prob nsfw

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/17/django-unchained-actress-racism-lapd-daniele-watts-pictures-photos/

smh...why would you do this in BROAD daylight and theres a sidewalk a few feet away.

Good lord what

 

[lednerg]

Nobody was expecting her initial account to be so full of horseshit. That story left a bit of wiggle room in terms of what the cops were told by the dispatcher and whether she was being detained before being asked to identify herself. I was waiting to see more about those factors of the case, myself.

Everybody here was on the same page, though, including those who were arguing that people should show ID whenever cops ask to see it. We all thought the bulk of the story most likely played out like she and her husband said - an innocent couple was harassed by the police after being seen 'making out'. For that to be wrong would mean that she was the worst kind of liar possible, and there was no reason for anyone to even guess that.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

A best that post is a justification for emotional, irrational reactions. The analogy of the house fire is very silly and frankly doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

I don't really need to argue the merits of every single point of the analogy. Secondly he wrote "It may feel to them as if" ... So you are now the arbiter of what an oppressed class may be feeling? Gotcha.

Anyway, barring the house analogy everything he said was more accurate than not. The first sentence applies to a lot of people in threads like this. They have extraordinary reserves of doubt, hyper rationality and barely any empathy. Whereas in similar situations with people they can empathize with their comments and reactions are drastically informed by that empathy and their doubt tends to take a back seat.

Lacking empathy, they tend to be hyper rational, ready and waiting for debate on every single point possible -- which again, there is nothing wrong with that in and of itself, it's just a little odd to witness it happen with black victims more often than not.

But you already know this and I'm very familiar with your brand of discourse.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Horizontal bongoing

Mrs. Watts _ "I was just Passionately kissing my boyfriend"

Officer_ "Ma.am, I have eye witness' here claiming that you were Horizontal bongoing... And what's that jizzy kleenex doing there on the grass? I may have to charge you two for littering if the lab test from it cum back positive, now may I see your ID please?"

 

[KHarvey16]

I don't really need to argue the merits of every single point of the analogy. Secondly he wrote "It may feel to them as if" ... So you are now the arbiter of what an oppressed class may be feeling? Gotcha.

Those are unjustifiable feelings. Just because a feeling is felt doesn't mean the actions that follow are reasonable.

Anyway, barring the house analogy everything he said was more accurate than not. The first sentence applies to a lot of people in threads like this. They have extraordinary reserves of doubt, hyper rationality and barely any empathy. Whereas in similar situations with people they can empathize with their comments and reactions are drastically informed by that empathy and their doubt tends to take a back seat.

And these are the people you're addressing here? Who are they and have you discussed with them the reason for that difference? It may simply be the case in which they're comfortable reaching a conclusion in fact has more that is known it meets whatever theshold they feel is sufficient before they decide. This is simply more assumption in service of a preconception, a common theme in this duscussion.

Lacking empathy, they tend to be hyper rational, ready and waiting for debate on every single point possible -- which again, there is nothing wrong with that in and of itself, it's just a little odd to witness it happen with black victims more often than not.

But you already know this and I'm very familiar with your brand of discourse.

The kinds of attitudes and emotions that lead to the things being discussed are present in threads dealing with race and are not in many others. Controversial topics lead to people becoming irrational and that's when it becomes useful to discuss unreasoned assumptions and the like.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

 

[massoluk]

Choose to assert you rights and not show police ID when you're not under suspicion of a crime. Get handcuffed. Gaf blames women for asserting her rights.

I really don't understand what's with this silly apprehension toward showing ID. To me, photo id itself was the compromise so the officials don't have to drag you down to the police station and conduct full inquiry. May be in some third world countries, corrupt officials will use it to hunt down your family or something. But in most case it just says your name and address, and they mostly use it as some formality so the cops don't have to go the full length of booking people into jail.

If you have a valid ID, it seems like a silly proposition to make a grand stand on.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Just when I thought I needed a Lionel Mandrake post, that audio (which is on the LA Times Soundcloud in full, btw) pretty much explains it all for me.

Wow there's a lot more audio here than what TMZ posted a few days ago, We can hear the full conversation between the cop and the boyfriend, the bf does not give a fuck at all...Haha! He is trying to make buddies with the cop... Sounds like the saddest relationship considering they've been dating for 15 months. lol!

 

[Skiptastic]

Wow there's a lot more audio here than what TMZ posted a few days ago, We can hear the full conversation between the cop and the boyfriend, the bf does not give a fuck at all...Haha! He is trying to make buddies with he cops... Sounds like the saddest relationship considering they've been dating for 15 months. lol!

Yeah, I was listening to it and I'm like, "Oh, heavens, they won't be dating for long after she hears this..."

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Those are unjustifiable feelings. Just because a feeling is felt doesn't mean the actions that follow are reasonable.



And these are the people you're addressing here? Who are they and have you discussed with them the reason for that difference? It may simply be the case in which they're comfortable reaching a conclusion in fact has more that is known it meets whatever theshold they feel is sufficient before they decide. This is simply more assumption in service of a preconception, a common theme in this duscussion.



The kinds of attitudes and emotions that lead to the things being discussed are present in threads dealing with race and are not in many others. Controversial topics lead to people becoming irrational and that's when it becomes useful to discuss unreasoned assumptions and the like.

I don't (and won't) even need to name specific names. It's present everywhere and on Neogaf. It's been seen numerous times:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108582/

Empathy is a critical function regulating human social life. In particular, empathy for pain is a source of deep emotional feelings and a strong trigger of pro-social behavior. We investigated the existence of a racial bias in the emotional reaction to other people's pain and its link with implicit racist biases. Measuring participants’ physiological arousal, we found that Caucasian observers reacted to pain suffered by African people significantly less than to pain of Caucasian people. The reduced reaction to the pain of African individuals was also correlated with the observers’ individual implicit race bias. The role of others’ race in moderating empathic reactions is a crucial clue for understanding to what extent social interactions, and possibly integration, may be influenced by deeply rooted automatic and uncontrollable responses.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/242975.php

Primary care physicians who hold unconscious racial biases tend to dominate conversations with African-American patients during routine visits, paying less attention to patients' social and emotional needs and making these patients feel less involved in decision making related to their health, Johns Hopkins researchers report.

....Racial bias favoring whites was associated with greater clinician domination of the medical dialogue for both African-American and white patients and a less positive patient emotional tone in the visits of African-American patients. In addition, African-American patients expressed less confidence in their clinicians, perceived less respect from their doctors, liked their doctors less and were less inclined to recommend the doctor to their friends. The impact of bias was generally, but not entirely, positive for white patients; they reported feeling respected and liked by their physician but also felt their physician was less likely to involve them in medical decisions about their care.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-1816.2002.tb01432.x/abstract

White university students participated in a study to investigate the impact of defendant race and empathetic induction on a subsequent juror decision-making task. Participants read a passage involving a Black or a White defendant in a criminal case. They were subsequently induced to feel no empathy, low empathy, or high empathy for the defendant. When compared to participants in the low- and control empathy conditions, those in the high-empathy condition reported greater target empathy, made attributions that were more situational, and assigned more lenient punishments. The results also indicate that group membership can moderate the impact of empathetic induction. When compared to the participants in the Black defendant condition, those in the White defendant condition reported greater target empathy, made attributions that were more situational, and assigned more lenient punishments. Implications for both empathy and judicial decision-making research are discussed.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0048546

The present work provides evidence that people assume a priori that Blacks feel less pain than do Whites. It also demonstrates that this bias is rooted in perceptions of status and the privilege (or hardship) status confers, not race per se.

....Relative to White Americans, Black Americans experience higher rates of diseases, disability and premature death [1], [2]. Disparities in healthcare contribute to these health disparities. Black patients are more likely to receive lower-quality healthcare and are subject to less desirable procedures. For instance, Black patients are over three times more likely than White patients to have limbs amputated as a result of diabetes [3]. Moreover, Black patients are systematically undertreated for pain [4]–[6]. They are less likely than Whites to receive pain medication and, when they do, they receive less

https://ose.utsc.utoronto.ca/ose/story.php?id=2135

Typically, when people observe others perform a simple task, their motor cortex region fires similarly to when they are performing the task themselves. However, the UofT research team, led by PhD student Jennifer Gutsell and Assistant Professor Dr. Michael Inzlicht, found that participants’ motor cortex was significantly less likely to fire when they watched the visible minority men perform the simple task. In some cases when participants watched the non-white men performing the task, their brains actually registered as little activity as when they watched a blank screen.

“The so-called mirror-neuron-system is thought to be an important building block for empathy by allowing people to ‘mirror’ other people’s actions and emotions; our research indicates that this basic building block is less reactive to people who belong to a different race than you,” says Inzlicht.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/racial-empathy-gap_n_4118252.html

I don't expect you or others to read all these articles as it may seem overwhelming. But this hyper rational super objective stance is seen in these studies by whites towards blacks.

 

[Robot Pants]

Slammin' Sammy truly was head of the game. I bet ol' Sammy doesn't get detained by cops anymore. Come, bros. It's time we make the jump the the bright side.

Someone pass the bleaching cream and the meatloaf.

"So rrreeeeaaaalll"

 

[KHarvey16]

I don't (and won't) even need to name specific names. It's present everywhere and on Neogaf. It's been seen numerous times:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108582/


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/242975.php


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-1816.2002.tb01432.x/abstract

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0048546

https://ose.utsc.utoronto.ca/ose/story.php?id=2135


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/racial-empathy-gap_n_4118252.html

I don't expect you or others to read all these articles as it may seem overwhelming. But this hyper rational super objective stance is seen in these studies by whites towards blacks.

Is your argument that those asking for people to wait on or more objectively consider the facts are motivated, consciously or subconsciously, by racial biases? Because that kind of accusation would require justification, and simply arguing such a thing exist is not that.

 

[Calamari41]

I really don't understand what's with this silly apprehension toward showing ID. To me, photo id itself was the compromise so the officials don't have to drag you down to the police station and conduct full inquiry. May be in some third world countries, corrupt officials will use it to hunt down your family or something. But in most case it just says your name and address, and they mostly use it as some formality so the cops don't have to go the full length of booking people into jail.

If you have a valid ID, it seems like a silly proposition to make a grand stand on.

If you're going to make a stand, make sure you're actually innocent/not being legally detained. It's the equivalent of trolling a DUI checkpoint (Am I free to go? Am I being detained? No sir I will not roll my window down any more than this!) while actually drunk.

 

[Rentahamster]

The first sentence applies to a lot of people in threads like this. They have extraordinary reserves of doubt, hyper rationality and barely any empathy. Whereas in similar situations with people they can empathize with their comments and reactions are drastically informed by that empathy and their doubt tends to take a back seat.

Lacking empathy, they tend to be hyper rational, ready and waiting for debate on every single point possible -- which again, there is nothing wrong with that in and of itself, it's just a little odd to witness it happen with black victims more often than not.

But you already know this and I'm very familiar with your brand of discourse.

Maybe, just maybe, you're projecting a bit much here. Sheesh. Way to unfairly characterize your fellow forum goers as unfeeling robots with racist tendencies.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Yeah, I was listening to it and I'm like, "Oh, heavens, they won't be dating for long after she hears this..."

Yeah I am skeptical about how sincere their relationship is/was, the way the guy talks and how relax he is, as if he has no emotional attachment to her at all, maybe he is also (in an odd way) trying to defuse the situation by being chill, (I can see that) But him and her (considering they just fucked each other in public) are in totally different head space (universe) she is throwing a tantrum, yelling and screaming/panicking... he meanwhile, wiping the pussy juices and jizz off his thighs, offering the cop a cigarette, and talking about his successful gourmet, raw food business etc. Meanwhile she's running down the street in hysteria...??

What the fuck, is everyone in Hollywood this cold and detached from each other?

Listen to that audio was like watching Paul Haggis' Crash, except it did not suck and it was a lot more entertaining than that heavy handed, shove everything in your face bullish of a movie.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Is your argument that those asking for people to wait on or more objectively consider the facts are motivated, consciously it subconsciously, by racial biases? Because that kind of accusation would require justification, and simply arguing such a thing exist is not that.

You've read my posts and I've outlined my position already.

 

[freddy]

Maybe, just maybe, you're projecting a bit much here. Sheesh. Way to unfairly characterize your fellow forum goers as unfeeling robots with racist tendencies.

Yep, this is part of the problem.(the bolded in the post you quoted) The willingness to just lump anyone with a dissenting opinion into a category like this.

 

[JumpJeff84]

I find this story fascinating, and yet I haven't been able to bring myself to listen to the audio clip. I'm sure I'll find it cringeworthy.

And what the hell with Sammy Sosa?!? When did that happen? Gross.

 

[Calamari41]

You've read my posts and I've outlined my position already.

What I am getting from your posts is that you believe that the people who wanted to wait for more information were still racists for doing so, and just got lucky that this woman turned out to be wrong in the end.

 

[Skiptastic]

Yeah I am skeptical about how sincere their relationship is/was, the way the guy talks and how relax he is, as if he has no emotional attachment to her at all, maybe he is also (in an odd way) trying to defuse the situation by being chill, (I can see that) But him and her (considering they just fucked each other in public) are in totally different head space (universe) she is throwing a tantrum, yelling and screaming/panicking... he meanwhile, wiping the pussy juices and jizz off his thighs, offering the cop a cigarette, and talking about his successful catering business etc. Meanwhile she's running down the street in hysteria...??

I can see that, too. I know my wife would kill me for talking like that, no matter what I said ("I'm just trying to prevent you from getting anything serious charged").

Listen to that audio was like watching Paul Haggis' Crash, except it did not suck and it was a lot more entertaining than that heavy handed, shove everything in your face bullish of a movie.

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[KHarvey16]

You've read my posts and I've outlined my position already.

And now I've pointed out to you that your position has yet to be justified. Would you prefer we allow empathy to dissolve your burden?