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Treasury Secretary to announce Harriet Tubman to replace Jackson on the $20 bill

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B-Dubs

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HUELEN10 said:
I welcome Tubman on a coin or a bill, but replace Hamilton, not Jackson, if someone needs to be replaced. Jackson at least tried to kill the seed of what is now the Fed.
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Jackson was easily the worst president we ever had, but I shouldn't be shocked at your reaction here either.
 
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Pretty cool, although the trend of moving away from physical currency in the past decade or two makes design changes like this and here in Canada seem sort of irrelevant in the long term. It's all about debit and credit cards, electronic tipping, cell-phone banking, etc.
 
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B-Dubs said:
Jackson was easily the worst president we ever had, but I shouldn't be shocked at your reaction here either.
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Eh, we've had some really bad ones. Andrew Johnson (Fuck Andrew Johnson) and James Buchanan come to mind. A reverse shit sandwich for Lincoln if you will.
 
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partyphone

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yeah let's keep the genocidal slave owner on our money.

I just knew someone would be arguing for it and I probably could have guessed who it would be.
 
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DeadlyParasite said:
Pretty cool, although the trend of moving away from physical currency in the past decade or two makes design changes like this and here in Canada seem sort of irrelevant in the long term. It's all about debit and credit cards, electronic tipping, cell-phone banking, etc.
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Even though I hate carrying cash on me, and always take it to the bank when it is given to me, truly there is a need for it, and in some situations, I deal exclusively in cash, because it works better for those situations.
 
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B-Dubs

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Toxi said:
Eh, we've had some really bad ones. Andrew Johnson (Fuck Andrew Johnson) and James Buchanan come to mind.
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Trail of Tears. When the Supreme Court told him to stop that shit he told them to fuck off. He also remains the only president to ever be censured by Congress.
 
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HUELEN10 said:
Even though I hate carrying cash on me, and always take it to the bank when it is given to me, truly there is a need for it, and in some situations, I deal exclusively in cash, because it works better for those situations.
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I usually keep about $100 in my slim wallet. Right now I'd have three Tubmans on me.

I like the idea of rotating the people on the bills. I also think Tubman is a great American to memorialize there for some time.
 
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thepotatoman said:
Jackson is on our currency for the genocide of native americans and taking over their terriritory.

Remember this is 1928 we're talking about here when they made the decision to put him on the $20. That's a time when Wild West traveling shows and silent films were very popularly depicting heroic white people setting up camp in the wild (ie not yet fully claimed) west defending themselves from the native savages.

Some of you guys think they thought Jackson was flawed because of the trail of tears, but decided to put him on there anyway because he killed the second national bank, started the idea of the president fully exercising veto powers, and forced North Carolina to pay their tariff taxes?

No, they put him on the currency because he was key in securing american land from the native americans.
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I'm no Jackson fan, and I'm fine with taking him off the currency, but it's simply incorrect to state that past positive views of Jackson were built on Indian removal. He was celebrated by the Democrats as a war hero and a groundbreaking populist -- Wilson and FDR's supporters built him up as the forerunner of their idols' battles against the moneyed classes (see, e.g., Arthur Schlesinger Jr.'s Pulitzer Prize-winning The Age of Jackson).
 
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Toxi said:
Eh, we've had some really bad ones. Andrew Johnson (Fuck Andrew Johnson) and James Buchanan come to mind.
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Johnson and Buchanan were both bad and were both pretty abject failures as executives. Jackson was bad, and was wildly successful at being bad. Jackson fucked shit up and convinced a century and a half of American historians that actually those bad things were awesome.

Also Buchanan, for all the terrible suffering he caused, never fails to make me laugh with his scheme to distract the nation from the looming crisis of slavery by launching a war on Utah. That has to be the most insane scheme of any president, and so he gets a bump for entertainment value in my estimation.
 
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TomServo said:
I usually keep about $100 in my slim wallet. Right now I'd have three Tubmans on me.

I like the idea of rotating the people on the bills. I also think Tubman is a great American to memorialize there for some time.
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Same here, for an emergency, I do keep a single 20 stashed away in the car and in my bag. That way, should I ever need a cab or something, I will be fine until I can get to the bank.

Tubman is absolutely deserving on being in currency, and I also like the idea of tweaking the 5 a bit too. I just really dislike Hamilton and the, well, you know, start of the seeds of the Fed. I'm not a libertarian, but that is something I kinda see eye to eye on with some of them, about the Fed. I'd be so happy if they got rid of Hamilton. Getting rid of Hamilton, AJ, and Grant while tweaking the 5 in one fell swoop is probably asking for too much though.
 
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"Your money's no good here"
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Toxi

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Iksenpets said:
Also Buchanan, for all the terrible suffering he caused, never fails to make me laugh with his scheme to distract the nation from the looming crisis of slavery by launching a war on Utah. That has to be the most insane scheme of any president, and so he gets a bump for entertainment value in my estimation.
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You know you're silly when you're the inspiration for one of Frank Underwood's plans in House of Cards.
 
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Voysa Reezun

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B-Dubs said:
Jackson was easily the worst president we ever had, but I shouldn't be shocked at your reaction here either.
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He's got serious competition from James Buchanan, Ronald Reagan, GWB, and maybe Warren Harding (though since Harding died early, we dodged a bullet there, but simply on fundamentals, he's on the list).

But yeah, he's a bottom five president, an anti-intellectual and genocidal moron whose limit was running the Hermitage as opposed to running a country.
 
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I can't wait to endlessly repeat the line of "We're taking his face off of one bill, we're not making it illegal to mention his name." for weeks to all my Facebook friends upset that removing Jackson is "erasing over the bad parts of history instead of learning from them!" Like they say every time someone points out a founding father was racist.
 
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Sean C said:
I'm no Jackson fan, and I'm fine with taking him off the currency, but it's simply incorrect to state that past positive views of Jackson were built on Indian removal. He was celebrated by the Democrats as a war hero and a groundbreaking populist -- Wilson and FDR's supporters built him up as the forerunner of their idols' battles against the moneyed classes (see, e.g., Arthur Schlesinger Jr.'s Pulitzer Prize-winning The Age of Jackson).
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And yet he's basically the father of tariffs in america, something that wasn't very populist at the time and was the primary thing populists fought against for a full century.

I agree his fight against the Second National Bank has some allusions to the later Free Silver populist movement and included populist rhetoric that lives to this day. It just seems weird to me that people would prop up such a failure of a policy just because they liked the rhetoric used to explain it.
 
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B-Dubs said:
For what, presiding over a genocide? Historical opinion on him has turned in the last few decades.
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No it hasnt. Jackson made some poor decisions. Almost all presidents make mistakes. Its hard to look back on actions made nearly 200 years ago with modern ideals and morals.
 
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